Biscuit: Not a Riparian Reserve
Snag Huffer, 31.08.2006 10:49
The USFS would never fell snags in a riparian reserve.
That would be wrong.
Felled Tree in Riparian Reserve
Or maybe they would.
Riparian Reserves are for sissies and hippies.
Log it all!
Roadless, LSRs, riparaian reserves,
nothing is off limits now.
Free for all.
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Gee, 31.08.2006 - 12:11 Looks like that tree is still there. Falling hazardous trees in riparian reserves is not equivalent to logging trees out of riparian reserves. Moon Muffin> Stop the lying 31.08.2006 - 17:22 At the Biscuit sale named Horse, the FS logged aporximately 20% of all riparian areas for that sale. I can take you up and show you dozens of riparian areas that were completely logged over. Of course there are others at Fiddler, etc. WHY SHOULD THIS SURPRISE YOU? THE SISKIYOU NATIONAL FORESTS DOES NOT FOLLOW THE LAW. THEY LIE CHEAT AND STEAL, IF YOU WORK FOR THEM AND QUESTION THEM, YOU ARE FIRED. What recreation, failed road systems from susidized clearcutting, what tourism (east side of kalmiopsis)? There is only money for mining and logging. HISTORY WILL REFLECT THAT THE FS DESTROYED THOUSANDS OF ACRES THAT WILL NOT RECOVER ANYTIME SOON THANKS TO KARL ROVE AND DUBYA. Seedlings in these parts need shade, the logging in Mikes Gulch is occuring near clearcuts over 20 years old whose seedlings (planted over 3 times) have all failed. Anyone who thinks different is either a lier or does not know who they are talking about. I told this to the district ranger's face, only she was standing next to the massive clearcuts and 20 + year plantation failures (not to mention 17 acres of illegal botanical area logging) and who never ended up telling the truth. A failed campaign for easy dough, turned out to be a taxpayer loss of millions of dollars. Even the National Taxpayer Union (fiscally conservative) spoke against this level of taxpayer subsidized waste. smell bullshit> Well, 31.08.2006 - 17:35 I'll just respond by saying that the courts had a different interpretation of the facts. Moon Muffin> Common ploy 31.08.2006 - 17:59 The tree in question definitely looks like a hazard tree, with that hollow interior. The tree could be very near a landing or road where OSHA rules say that all hazards that can reach workers MUST be felled. The fact that the tree is still there leads me to believe that they follow the rules to the letter. It IS appropriate to fall the hazard and to leave it where it lays, in the riparian zone. It's very comon to compose pictures, removing some facts from the field of view. I could certainly do that to benefit the Forest Service with my own photographic skills but, that would not be truthful, useful or at all scrupulous. Hotfeet> Close look 31.08.2006 - 20:43 Well first off it's good to see that huffer is not still beating his wife, but I digress. Take a look at the picture in question, notice something strange? The stump and butt of the tree are both burned, hmmm. I wonder did the contractor go and burn the RMA or were the trees in question fell prior to the sale? With the track record of Huffer I doubt that the tree is even in the unit. Chane Sau> Update 31.08.2006 - 21:15 Apparent mistake on my part...a quick phone call has let me know that the tree is not burned on the butt and that there are actually requirements to fell the large wood across the stream in several locations, a requirement set forth by the biologist who had input on the EA, in an effort to replace the destroyed woody debris as a result of the fire. Since I have not seen the particular contract I shall not comment further. Maybe Hotfeet could enlighten???? Chane Sau> Hydrology 01.09.2006 - 05:20 Hydrologists LOVE to have some trees felled in many streamcourses to shade the water and provide a diversity of conditions. They tend to think that since trees "naturally" fell into and across streams, that us humans could help that along, at times. I've never heard of a timber sale having this requirement but, I have done it in the past with roadside hazard trees that might be difficult to harvest. I'd prefer to fall em and leave em instead of causing unneeded erosion so close to running water. Good observation, though, on seeing that the cut portion of the stump was burned, indicating that the tree was cut BEFORE the fire! Hotfeet> |