Back to the Wall! Visit the Biscuit!
Laurel, 24.06.2005 12:21
This FRIDAY, JULY 1ST, caravans of folk from Northern, Central and Southern Oregon will gather to bear witness and demonstrate against the ongoing destruction of native forests on public lands as part of the Bush Administration's all-out assault on our last wild places and the laws that protect them.
Women break the closure
Join the Oxygen Collective and Back To The WALL (Witness Against Lawless Logging) for an historic convergence of forest lovers from across the state in the Biscuit Fire Area of Southern Oregon's Siskiyou Mountains!
Swim in the amazing Illinois River! Witness the Biscuit forest hours after the Forest Service Lockout ends! Use the power of community creativity to tell the Bush bureaucrats what you think!
This FRIDAY, JULY 1ST, caravans of folk from Northern, Central and Southern Oregon will gather to bear witness and demonstrate against the ongoing destruction of native forests on public lands as part of the Bush Administration's all-out assault on our last wild places and the laws that protect them.
We will start the day with a brief rally at Forest Supervisor Scott Conroy's office in Medford, where we will present him with the nefarious distinction of the Golden Stump Award. We will then head out to the Green Bridge over the picturesque, Wild and Scenic Illinois River.
The Green Bridge is the symbolic epicenter of the civil disobedience campaign opposing the massive Biscuit logging project, and has been closed off from the public by a Federal Closure Order since mid-March.
The closure order expires June 30th. Many of the arrestees will return to the Bridge this Friday for the first time since their arrest. This action is being organized to educate, inspire and energize the movement and will not involve a risk of arrest for those who do not wish it.
The Green Bridge is also the only access route to the Mike's Gulch timber sale, one of the first Roadless Area forests in the nation to face the imminent threat of industrial logging since the Bush administration repealed the popular Roadless Area Conservation Rule.
We will take folks on a tour of the newly accessible units of the recently logged Fiddler old growth reserve timber sale, and coordinate a creative, participative project with everyone present to send a clear message to the Forest Service and the media that we are not going away and this kind of reckless forest destruction will not be tolerated.
Come visit the amazingly beautiful Siskiyou Wild Rivers Area and take part in this precedent-setting campaign! We are making national headlines as the frontline of grassroots struggle against the industrial plunder of our precious natural heritage!
Visit www.o2collective.org for background and updates.
GET ON THE BUS!
PDX:
The WALL bus COOL will be leaving Portland Thursday evening, June 30th and will spend the night camping near the Rogue River, returning north Friday night. Contact: Joe Keating (503)234-2613 or 
keats@aracnet.com
Eugene:
Carpools are being arranged by Cascadia Wildlands Project, contact Josh Laughlin (541) 434-1463.
Ashland:
The Oxygen Collective bus will be leaving Evo's Cafe at 9:30 am Friday, returning in the evening. See www.o2collective.org, contact Laurel laurel@o2collective.org or (541)301-8963.
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Cheese with that whine? 25.06.2005 - 10:23 "Use the power of community creativity to tell the Bush bureaucrats what you think!".... Since you didn't vote for them or make a big campaign contribution, ya think they care what you think? "ongoing destruction of native forests"...Yeah, like cutting snags has a major impact on 4% of the Biscuit. "massive Biscuit logging project"....see above "imminent threat of industrial logging"....if that were true, they'd be taking every stick...duh!! "send a clear message to the Forest Service and the media that we are not going away and this kind of reckless forest destruction will not be tolerated"..... clear message?? What?!? That you prefer snags over stumps? Seems that you can't even send a clear message to judges....lol "We are making national headlines"... Not seeing that from my sources. I can see the headline now..."Hippies arrested over dead trees" Be sure to take pictures of the huge snags that were left in the cutting units. Show the world the "destruction" you've been fighting against. Show us all that the world as we know it is now ending because loggers are cutting dead trees instead of letting em rot and burn in the next fire. We also wanna see costumes. mimes and animal acts, too! GMcN Goober McNertney> But, seriously, folks 25.06.2005 - 10:33 If you do plan to be out in the cutting units, PLEASE be careful and watch for EXTREMELY dangerous stuff like widowmakers (branches and chunks of trees hanging up in the crowns of remaining trees), logging slash and steep terrain. Wear heavy boots, long pants and headgear, if ya got em. It's not worth getting seriously hurt over. Goober McNertney> Not worth getting hurt on? 27.06.2005 - 15:38 How much does is hurt the people of the area that have built a life around sustainable business to see this region logged? How much does it hurt the water quality and ultimately, Oregon's last intact big salmon habitat? How much will it hurt so many Americans when they go out to enjoy their heritage and they see scared lands upward toward a century to come? How much does it hurt the forest to have had tractors and skidders drag the logs over the soil, and remove the structures that the soil grew over centuries? How much does it hurt the wildlife like the wolverine and Pacific Fishcher to find their habitat slicked off the face of the earth? How much does it hurt the future of Oregon and word spreads that the last of the last of the remaining old growth is falling. How much does is hurt for the people who used to love hiking on Fiddler Mountain? I could go on and on? But just one more. How much would it hurt the logging industry to leave Biscuit alone? D-money> Tell us about 28.06.2005 - 16:38 the sustainable businesses. Name one that didn't alter the environment in some way. Tell us about the "last" salmon habitat. Tell us about all the "tractors and skidders" when by far and way the vast majority of harvest is done via full suspension with skyline and those flying gizmos (helocopters I think they call them). Be sure and tell us how many wolverines were in biscuit. I can't wait to hear that one. Give us a single confirmable sighting. Tell us all about the "last remaining Old Growth" as if it were alive to begin with. Would it hurt the timber dependent families to go without a means of support? Tell us oh wise one. We wait for your wisdom. And tell us did the lobotomy hurt? Why don't you put some truth in that sermon instead of mindless babbling? Curious> not afraid to use my real name 29.06.2005 - 19:40 Abstract Woody debris piles, a natural component of rivers draining the coastal forests of the Pacific Northwest, provide a unique resource in the riparian-river corridor. We describe the distribution of woody debris piles on the Skykomish River, Washington, and examine their use by birds and small mammals. We found an average of one debris pile per 15m of river bank; the inside of these piles was significantly cooler than the ambient environment. Over sixteen bird species were observed using the debris piles while other bird species in the area were never observed on the debris piles. The overall species richness of small mammals was greater at debris piles (9 species) than at reference sites in nearby areas without woody debris (4 species). On cobble bars, there was a greater abundance of small mammals at debris piles than at reference sites. We conclude that debris piles may provide valuable resources to both birds and small mammals particularly on otherwise barren cobble bars. Steel, Naiman, and West, Center for Streamside Studies, Box 352100, U of Washington, Seattle, WA qtd in Northwest Science, Vol 73, No. 1, 1999 Quarterly publication of the Northwest Scientific Assn Washington State U Press, Pullman, Wash (USA) found in the free box outside the University library June 29 Steve. steve ryan, sou, ashland> Tickled in Oregon 29.06.2005 - 20:36 Well I'm tickled pink you're not afraid to say who you are. Isn't that swell? Some of us out here have been subject to threats and witnessed the "non violent" direct action against those that disagree. I kinda like the anonymity. That way we can debate the facts or lack thereof without the baggage of "who we are". Beyond that, what is your point? Pro/Con? Your concerns would more readily be addressed by active managment. Is that your stance? Curious> "baggage of who you are?" 29.06.2005 - 22:07 I'll also stand by my name, and my baggage. Your remark, about "the baggage of 'who we are' shows spineless nonsense. You are really nothing unless you stand behind your words with a name and a person. Your comments to this site are lessened very much with your latest post, Curious. Extreme Spinelessness. Wes Brain and all my baggage- Wes Brain> Spineless, but Harassment Free 29.06.2005 - 22:57 Steve ... So you are saying that slash piles resulting from logging are beneficial to biodiversity? And that we should be creating slash piles (and therefore logging) in riparian areas? Yes, Curious. Please post your full name so that RIMC can post your home phone number and encourage everyone to call you at all hours of the night and day. Moon Muffin> Spineless... 30.06.2005 - 16:18 Well thank you for that. But when "non violent" direct action includes dropping feces and urine out of tree sits, nails in roads and driveways, when zealots spike trees with ceramic spikes that cannot be detected and literally blow up in the mill, spraying potentially lethal schrapnel at workers, when arsonist burn offices and Unabomber's send letter bombs, when mindless fanatics make late night (and anonymous) harassing and threatening phone calls anonimity is prudent. Your don't like it, you call it spineless, tough shit. Curious> Riddle, Oregon 03.07.2005 - 11:58 what do you get whe you cross curious and moon muffin? .....a spine free timber drone mixed severity fire regime> A-Tizzle, Biatch 03.07.2005 - 12:33 Yah, my point exactly. Attack the person, not the concept. Moon Muffin> Les, Is That You? 03.07.2005 - 13:17 mixed severity fire regime = Les AuCoin? Michael Franti> this would be more fun... 03.07.2005 - 14:07 ...if we can just recognize this board for the smack-talk that it is. It's not about debate, Curious. If it were, facts would get highlighted and assumptions identified in a collaborative striving for a way forward. All we get from you is taunting ("did that labotomy hurt?") and reactionary ideology. I gave up on you long ago. Steve's abstract from NW Science discusses slash piling in riparian zones on private land. Slash piles are better for mammals than nothing after an industrial (GMcN's definition) logging show. And like GMcN said, do be extremely cautious around Biscuit logging units. been there> Smack-Fest 2005 03.07.2005 - 14:19 Yes, this website is and always has been nothing but a smack-talk fest. Nothing "independent" or scientific about it ... just a place for anti-management types to vent their hate for anyone that makes a buck off of public land management. How good of you to point that out for us. You accuse Curious (and myself, Goober, Mtn. High, and others I suppose) of using rediculous ideology? And what do you call your rantings and name calling? I guess that's different, because you're right and everyone else is wrong (or just a timber beast from Riddle). You know, you seem like your just on the verge of catching on. If at times I (or Curious or Goober) seem to be using rediculous ideology, do you think it just might be possible that we're mocking you rather than being serious? Moon Muffin> ill logic 03.07.2005 - 19:52 If anyone wants to see some "reactionary ideology", they should just read the article or perhaps D-Money's reply to Goober McNertney's post. Gifford Pinchot Supported Sustainable Yield> Spoiled Rich Kids Rule! 03.07.2005 - 19:57 Hay! Look at me! My family made our money by screwing over Southern Oregon's rivers and streams with aggregate mines! Now I'm a trust fund environmentalist!!! Hurrah! Down with corporate greed! Jay Lininger> Butte Falls? Prospect? Climax? Remote?Tolo? 04.07.2005 - 11:27 Not sure of the point? With a little research we could talk about Biscuit or we could talk about someones stance on keeping the Military recruiters out of SOU. We could talk about fire intensity or we could talk about a persons role in the Green Party keeping Al Gore out of the White House. We can talk about erosive soils or we can talk about how many times the Ashland Police have come to ones place of business to arrest them. We can talk about the once world class salmon fishery that was Bear Creek and how it was mostly destroyed by gravel mining or we can talk about the economies of the timber dependent communities. On this site I have been called a timber drone, BLM cubical dweller, Forest Service idiot, mindless conservitive, and a host of other things. Moonies point about name calling is right on target. When facts fail, name calling follows close behind. Worry less about who I am and try to prove what I am saying to be wrong. If a statement is true it doesn't matter who says it....Student, State Employee, Trust Funder, Drone, Cubicle Dweller,or even us idiots. Happy Fourth of July. We should all be happy to be able to have this discussion. Curious> Freedom of Speech? 06.07.2005 - 17:20 I agree with Curious and Moon Muffin that personal attacks are the last resort of someone who can't debate the issues effectively. We really are lucky that this Rogue IMC site allows us to present our views. The Portland site heavily censors any opposing viewpoints to the point of fascism (which their people use to describe the current Administration, ironically). I just want to applaud the people who manage this site in offering a fair and balanced approach in allowing people to present their views. Sometimes I throw a little sarcasm in my rants but, the namecalling should be left out in the playground, folks. Hotfeet>  Homepage:: http://www.foreststewardsguild.org
Thanks, I agree, but 06.07.2005 - 21:26 I gotta admit I was a little puzzled by the heavy handed way Moonies post about relationship of Global warming to decrease in Pirates. I not only thought it was one of the funniest post I've seen in a long time, I thought it showed in a very clever way that just because two things happen at the same time they are not always cause and affect. aarrrgh matey! Curious> RIMC, PIMC and Censorship 06.07.2005 - 23:13 
Not sure about PIMC, but I do know that censorship is alive and well here at RIMC. RIMC staff say that they're "just following the guidelines for removing unacceptable posts." Either way, their guidelines are vague enough that they could apply to anything that anyone says, and they only seem to enforce the guidelines when they relate to pro-management (or anti junk-science) posts. correlation != causation Arrrrrg. Moon Muffin> Amazing this is not!!!! 07.07.2005 - 11:15 It is anything but amazing reading the comments from the mindless wackos, or should I call them Tree Drones. We could even have a battle of the drones, "Tree drones VS Timber drones". It just so happens that I am from Riddle and unless I missed something most of the people that work in the town are in some way connected with the enviroment, or should I say the timber industry. There is that other portion of the population, the 17.5% for our town that is unemployed, most of which leach off of the rest of us, many of these also are connected to the enviroment also, you can see some of them hidden behind the masks at recent protest (not afraid to use your name, right). The difference is that many of the "leaches" spout off the same rhetoric as you read on this page, and when confronted face to face cannot carry on a conversation because it requires that they actually think on their own. One day you leaches will figure out that as long as we destructive humans are on this planet there needs to be "management" to best utilize the resources that we have. Not doing anything (preservation) is a form of management also, it is called "mis-management". Now there is a solution to this problem and that is for the destructive humans to leave the planet. For those willing to really help the enviroment we will be passing around a sign up sheet for a one way trip to outer-space at the next "bridge meeting". The enviromental wackos can't figure out that the 60's are over, it's time to get on with your life, get a job, and actually support the family that you produced. By the way if your really concerned and can't get your ticket at least look at getting fixed, some gene pools should really not continue. Chane Sau> Bangooray 10.07.2005 - 18:36 Oh gee, I missed it. Now what am going to do with all these pots and pans for banging that I lifted from my mom's kitchen? I also have some fresh boards for building tree perches that I stole from a construction site. Anybody planning some direct action civil disobedience monkey wrenching? I know where we can get some monkey wrenches. Pimple boy> |